Tree of Life?

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Re: Tree of Life?

Postby Colombo » Mon May 14, 2012 10:37 am

and remember i said froma fantasy setting(as this game is set ina fantasy world)

So, do you have any argument, that is as stupid as that?

Sorry, but you don't probably understand, how things get into fantasy in first place. Fantasy is STRONGLY INSPIRED by reality and real mythologies. Shakespear Hamlet would become classified as fantasy, if it would be written today. There are tons of stories with magical element. With undead. Have you ever heard about Vampires? Dracula? Is THAT fantasy?
What about one of founders of modern fantasy? J.R.R. Tolkien? It was created as modern mythology. Together with Silmalirion, it is basicaly artifical mythology.

And your argument, that you have come in contact only with fantasy, where it was like in W3? That is argument ad ignorantum. Because only thing, that is shows, is unvariety of fantasy settings you have came in contact.

And whole your response is stupid, if you have asked question "how lichdom works". As I said, it varies setting from setting and depends on, which one you pick.
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Re: Tree of Life?

Postby caprontos » Mon May 14, 2012 12:50 pm

tHe_silent_H wrote:Do you guys even know how lichidom works?(in a fantasy setting) people don't just become liches when they die, rather powerful(I mean POWERFUL) necromancers preform a ritual to preseve their soul in a phalactry(normally a vial of their own blood). Granting imortality and allows the body to be repaired/regenrated until the vial is destroyed. rather you would come back as: ghost or ghoul( if you want to keep your soul but remeber a ghoul has no free will and a ghost has no body). other undead you could end up as: vampire, wright/wraith, zombie/skeleton or animated dead(sort of like a zombie but made of diffrent people, eg abominations fromWC3).


Nope, no clue what lichidom even is, and they just become a lich after they die - after the battle if equipped with the "Ring of the Dead" That's it.. There is no ritual, no training no nothing. I don't care how it happens in someone elses idea - I said specifiably like Ogre battle 64. I gave a specific setting I was coming from...
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Re: Tree of Life?

Postby Espero » Mon May 14, 2012 7:47 pm

Colombo wrote:It depends on source. From real historican sources (modern mythologies/urban legends), to ancient mythologies, fantasy etc.

The mage, who transform is "soul" or hearth into another item (eg. egg, or vial etc...) doesn't have to be lich. On behalf of other undeads, it again depends on style. And type of undead. Some are just moving flesh (abnomination), animated by magic and with realy restricted inteligence, maybe weak daemon from another plane of existence. The same could be for some skeletons and zombies. Other are true undeads, returned from plane of dead. Eg. by strong magic and bounded with leash, commanded by strong necromancer. Or those, who are just returned by some event (eg. evocation/invocation, don't know, whichever is right for this event, that mean summoned by necromancer, but unbound, without leash, eg. undead was too powerfull etc.; strong residual magic or that dead person have strong will to do just some erand or there was ritual, that bounded its soul to body, so it would never leave it in first place...)

I don't think that W3 is good source of information in first place.


+1 liches and necromancers were around long before warcraft and their little phylacteries. Actually, considering nothing in that game is original to them, everything was around long before it xD
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Re: Tree of Life?

Postby tHe_silent_H » Tue May 15, 2012 3:56 am

Espero wrote:
Colombo wrote:It depends on source. From real historican sources (modern mythologies/urban legends), to ancient mythologies, fantasy etc.

The mage, who transform is "soul" or hearth into another item (eg. egg, or vial etc...) doesn't have to be lich. On behalf of other undeads, it again depends on style. And type of undead. Some are just moving flesh (abnomination), animated by magic and with realy restricted inteligence, maybe weak daemon from another plane of existence. The same could be for some skeletons and zombies. Other are true undeads, returned from plane of dead. Eg. by strong magic and bounded with leash, commanded by strong necromancer. Or those, who are just returned by some event (eg. evocation/invocation, don't know, whichever is right for this event, that mean summoned by necromancer, but unbound, without leash, eg. undead was too powerfull etc.; strong residual magic or that dead person have strong will to do just some erand or there was ritual, that bounded its soul to body, so it would never leave it in first place...)

I don't think that W3 is good source of information in first place.


+1 liches and necromancers were around long before warcraft and their little phylacteries. Actually, considering nothing in that game is original to them, everything was around long before it xD


WC3 doesn't have liches in the same way I described FYI( it was only an example for animated dead look like....), they are orcs shamans that have been re-animated and called liches..., (jsut for refrence, [url]wikipedia[/url] agrees with me(no i did not get any of my ideas from there, before you ask, i got them from History and other fantasy games :P and yes wikipedia is not an accurate refrence too but a compilation of others!) . now i have my veiw you have yours, lets drop this and just agree that lichidom(becoming a lich) isn't easy, k and get back on topic aka those damn elves and thier trees
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Re: Tree of Life?

Postby Colombo » Tue May 15, 2012 7:27 am

Well, this is little more complicated in W3, if you would remember campaign, you needed sacred well from high elves to make lich. So, even there lich was something special.

I have few books about magic, but I doubd, that there would be lichdom. It is too necromantic and black magic to be there. (you know, those books are "experimental magic")
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Re: Tree of Life?

Postby Aduvash » Tue May 15, 2012 10:13 pm

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